Curse

Kriel Drache · Mar 24, 2007, 12:27 AM // 00:27

I just read the opening and there aren't words to describe my joy. Therefore, I shall do this instead.

*headsplode*

Maki Grey · Mar 24, 2007, 12:34 AM // 00:34

Can someone who has the mag elaborate on the migration of achievements through the hall of mouments? What exactly are the benefits that a vet will have? I've put in a lot of time into gw1 and now feel like it was all a waste since i won't be able to migrate my toons. I will be very hesitant to buy gw 2 if this is how loyalty is treated by Anet. Sure i have seen that they will continue to support the gw1 but to what extent and for how long. Im not wasting anymore time with this title if i know there is an end coming and that i will have to start all over in gw2. Even if they do continue to support it, how many people will continue to play gw1. The population in gw1 will die once gw2 is live.

boko · Mar 24, 2007, 01:04 AM // 01:04

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Originally Posted by CuriousCarrie

I mentioned in previous posts of mine, that I'm well aware that the graphics and tech will improve for GW2, for that reason I am excited. That it won't be a step back and be an adoption of any graphics that WoW or previous games have been using is very clear (and if they do... well... -_- then they should be ashamed of themselves). GW itself had wonderful graphics and artwork, part of the reason why I love the game so much, but doesn't the Asura and other artwork already strike you as somewhat familiar... somewhat...cartoonish? It does to me. I've seen read the article and also understand that there will be a lot of technical advances in the upcoming 2 years (I may be a girl, but I heart computers and technology and understand more than most guys give me credit for). I am not at all worried about the graphics in the sense that it will be a "vintage" game or such... then they might as well stick to making campaigns/expansions for GW1. ^^

The problem with making campaigns was i think as they said it was getting harder and harder to revolutionalise the game with each chapter. Even though they surprised me with the stuffs they came up with in Factions and NF, I think that they finally did run out of idea for that chapter4. And that most of what they would have come up with would somehow mess up the game if not have a sense of "deja vu".

By coming up with GW2, they are able to actually change the whole concept, and for the better hopefully. The chapter every6 month plan was limited as there were so much they could do.

As for Asura, I find them weird too. And i am really curious how well they will blend in GW : EotN too.

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Originally Posted by CuriousCarrie

As much as I am also on some level trying to play devil's advocate, I also really do think that this game is tending in a direction that is no longer "GW". I am perhaps mocking a bit more than necessary, but I'm also trying to make a point with it. GW was nominated and awarded for many prizes because of it's originality, part of the reason millions of players worldwide joined in and played it, the lack of monthly fees being perhaps the first novel idea to draw attention to the game.

But from the devs that created GW1, i trust that they know their game and what made their success. I trust they know what they do. So, i do have high hopes for GW2.

What i think is the most important thing to GW, is that they will keep the "8 skill limit build". I think that this is what makes GW so balanced instead of the level 20 thing.

With a limit of 8 skills, you have to play intelligently and that's IMO, what makes GW unique. Whether the character changes to Charr or what other races, the fact that you are limited to 8 skills and have to know the environment where you will be fighting so that you can customise your build is the beauty of GW IMO. GW basically encourages intelligent gameplay.

That is mainly why i am not bothered with the level cap or races. A player with a bad build, whether they be high level or not,whether be charr or Norns, will IMO still be a bad player.

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Originally Posted by CuriousCarrie

I'm all in for the PvE bit. I started off playing more PvP than anything and I have just recently tended towards PvE, for reasons other than making a pretty char. I can see that there are many other games that are perhaps more rich on the PvE level than GW is at the moment. I do not wish to say that there is room for improval, but it seems to me, even after reading all that I have read, that PvP will be "lacking" in GW2 as PvE is "lacking" in GW1. I however, also enjoyed making my PvE chars PvP ready and having my pretty characters fight on that level. If there is no level cap, or a really high one, I doubt it will even be a feature in GW2. GW became so famous as well because of it's competitive PvP. I know that both PvP and PvE are equally important parts of the game.

Let's just wait and see, shall we?

They did come up with the balthazar factions system afterall ^^;. There is so many things that they can add to pvp rewards. They did not said anything yet. But that does not mean they are not planning anything

Who knows? maybe even special unlockable armor for pvp ppl since pve look more seperate with pvp in GW2

... well, i can only offer lots of wild speculations on this part though. LOL

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Originally Posted by CuriousCarrie

The part that makes me wonder most is how Anet are going to be able to cope with keeping both GW1 and GW2 running. Sometimes it seems that they are unable to cope with GW1 as is, bringing updates on time, skill balances, and I know the GvG community is still waiting for the whole "mini-tournament" part to be fully set into play. At times it seems that they have already bitten off more than they can chew with GW, which will in 2 years time be utterly inferior to the technological demands of GW2. And often times Anet had promises and goals for GW1 that they could not uphold, and what about GW2?

I am thinking that since they actually dropping the whole 6 months chapter deal, that maybe the 2 seperate team will be merged together, and hopefully they can focus on GW2 better.

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Originally Posted by CuriousCarrie

I love GW! There is no doubt about it. It is perhaps the game I've enjoyed the most in my entire gaming "career". I also enjoyed it so much because it wasn't WoW or Dungeon Siege or anything of the likeness. The playstyle, PvP, graphics, everything were something new, and the monthly fees just put it over the top. It is why I find it sad that it seems that Anet are selling out to the other games from which they tried to distance themselves at the beginning.

I have as much information as everyone else does, so it is as pointless for me to assume the worst, as it is for everyone else to assume the best.

True.

Maybe it is as pointless to assume the best and the worst.

And i agree completely with that part, GW is a unique experience. Let's hope the adventure goes on.

The Ernada · Mar 24, 2007, 01:53 AM // 01:53

Yeah but it's far more pointless to be screaming doom and gloom and threaten to quit or not buy GW2. You're only screwing yourself out of the opportunity of even trying out the game. Considering that GW is so well made, wouldnt you at least give them the benefit of the doubt that they'll do it again with GW2?

It's never a bad thing to remain calm in any situation....

zarwin · Mar 24, 2007, 02:59 AM // 02:59

I have mixed feelings about this, on the one hand, this Gw is turning out to sound more like what i had expected when i bought proph ( other than this new high, or no lvl cap). On the other, i like guild wars, and with 2 coming out they'll drop the first one like a hot rock, which is not cool, to me, they have to be able to bridge the 2, i've put too much time in my char to just leave it to rot, we should be able transfer our characters from the old to the new.

Dean Harper · Mar 24, 2007, 03:07 AM // 03:07

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Originally Posted by savage vapor 33

HIGHLY AGREE!! Can any1 say WoW? If this is true, please make the level cap like 21, or 25. This is one of the true reasons why i play GW over WoW. It gives more of an advantage.

Yes, but dont you think it would make the game worth playing after you finish the storyline instead of only PvP?? Of course, if the style of pvp is somewhat the same, it would be nice to have a lvl cap there so its not like one person who dominates so no one else can win...

Phantom Flux · Mar 24, 2007, 03:33 AM // 03:33

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

Holy crap that's a quadruple post.

And how do you predict the game will be bad, Phantom?

Because truth is the majority of Anets consumers will have no time for it, including me. Now, I haven't played Video games in a long, looooooooooooooong time because of how busy my life can get. So one day I thought maybe one game would be fine. So I caught GW: Factions. It seemed cool and whatya know a game where you don't have to totally grind, yet still make time for to actually beat and develop as many characters as I could. With Propechies and NF, knowing its to benefit and help me go further in the game with weapons and gold saved (which I'm good at making) was a major plus side. The part it doesn't go to a 50 to 100 was especially another huge appeal. If you wish to migrate your characters you could, if you wished to just start on a fresh slate, you could do. GW1 really gave you options. GW 2 doesn't.

But to have GW 2 not be part of GW 1 (Monument hall? Beeitch please. LOL.) where we can transfer and would have to result in playing somethingthat is like WOW. (Wow I know quite a bit because I've seen my friends play it and god they have no lives) it's something I'll have no time to get into. You'd be surprised that not only these American Idol-Sanjaya-lovin', Naruto-Fanatasizing, Pokemon-poking 17 years old to 12 year old Teeny boppers plays Guilds Wars, but business men and women, and other adults play it too - and not all of them are able to get paid to play every game in the world like Gaile Gray (who I'm sorry, must have a sad life if all she can do is rush home to some beta version of GW 2 and grind her way to level 1,000,010 to avoid character-level discrimination. (Oh please, who's dumb enough to buy the "My level 120 is better than your level 100" bid isn't going to happen?)

I really hoped for GW 2 be something that could really give an extension and appreciation to the GW players, especially the ones that played to earn many sets of 15k armor (*coughs Armor storage would be nice*)and titles (w/o the cheating), but I feel its just gonna be a load of crap. Thanks Anet for turning off a lot of your customers. Thanks! *Waves to them* Thanks!

natuxatu · Mar 24, 2007, 03:39 AM // 03:39

so what if Anet consumers lose customers with not a lot of time to invest like you. The point is, for every one of you crying there is another one who is finally willing to give guild wars a try. Most of the other guild wars fourms have positive feedback this is one of the few places people are boohooing about everything.

Looks like you'll have to stick to guild wars 1 or find a different game since you don't want to invest time.. though why you would want to play an MMOish game in the first place is beyond me. That's all..

Urban Masterpiece · Mar 24, 2007, 03:54 AM // 03:54

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Originally Posted by Phantom Flux

But to have GW 2 not be part of GW 1 (Monument hall? Beeitch please. LOL.) where we can transfer and would have to result in playing somethingthat is like WOW. (Wow I know quite a bit because I've seen my friends play it and god they have no lives) it's something I'll have no time to get into. You'd be surprised that not only these American Idol-Sanjaya-lovin', Naruto-Fanatasizing, Pokemon-poking 17 years old to 12 year old Teeny boppers plays Guilds Wars, but business men and women, and other adults play it too - and not all of them are able to get paid to play every game in the world like Gaile Gray (who I'm sorry, must have a sad life if all she can do is rush home to some beta version of GW 2 and grind her way to level 1,000,010 to avoid character-level discrimination. (Oh please, who's dumb enough to buy the "My level 120 is better than your level 100" bid isn't going to happen?)

OMG! LOL! You just had to call out American Idol? Haha! I completely agree with you though. Chances are I'd stop playing GW1 all together if GW2 doesn't pitch a real reason to buy it.

Phantom Flux · Mar 24, 2007, 04:04 AM // 04:04

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Originally Posted by natuxatu

so what if Anet consumers lose customers with not a lot of time to invest like you. The point is, for every one of you crying there is another one who is finally willing to give guild wars a try. Most of the other guild wars fourms have positive feedback this is one of the few places people are boohooing about everything.

Looks like you'll have to stick to guild wars 1 or find a different game since you don't want to invest time.. though why you would want to play an MMOish game in the first place is beyond me. That's all..

Um, so you actually think Anet's designing and getting GW 2 out into the market for free? Stop kissing ass to Anet for once, geez. It's not like Anet is gonna send you a free copy of GW2 when it comes out. LOL. The success of GW1 is what's allowing Anet to make GW2. It's about money and sales. Anet should atleast know better than to release any product that would make an embaressing profit, especially a few stepping stones down from it's predecessor. Anet needs consumers like me to actually be successful, period. If they dont cater to their target audiences demands, they might as well quit their jobs and apply for an applicaton at Nintendo.

How would you know? You don't know anybody's schedule or lifestyle. You lose the 'net.

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

How would you know? You don't know anybody's schedule or lifestyle. You lose the 'net.

I don't need to know anyone's schedule or lifestyle. Go look up some statistics or aleast go to a few stores and ask if kids are the only ones buying GW. LOL.

Bryant Again · Mar 24, 2007, 04:05 AM // 04:05

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Originally Posted by Raising

oh rly ? gw's model is anti-grind system, now they slap 100~ levels in a new game wow style.

...um...so you're saying because of that, people won't have time at all?

We don't know how the level system is going to work. It may take as long as it takes to get to 20 as it did in GW1, and hell, beyond level 20 might just be to look cool and not give any benefit.

And you're still assuming that because of this, people won't have any time whatsoever. You're assuming too much.

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Originally Posted by Phantom Flux

Um, so you actually think Anet's designing and getting GW 2 out into the market for free? Stop kissing ass to Anet for once, geez. It's not like Anet is gonna send you a free copy of GW2 when it comes out. LOL. The success of GW1 is what's allowing Anet to make GW2. It's about money and sales. Anet should atleast know better than to release any product that would make an embaressing profit, especially a few stepping stones down from it's predecessor. Anet needs consumers like me to actually be successful, period. If they dont cater to their target audiences demands, they might as well quit their jobs and apply for an applicaton at Nintendo.

I don't need to know anyone's schedule or lifestyle. Go look up some statistics or aleast go to a few stores and ask if kids are the only ones buying GW. LOL.

I think the target audiences demands are everything that's going to be in Guild Wars 2. People want races, people want high levels, people want persistance. Arenanet are giving these things to the people. That's why WoW is so huge, because it *has* these things.

And yes, you *do* need to know everyone's schedule or lifestyle, because that's what makes your argument. Otherwise, you're making a very broad assumption.

Melody Cross · Mar 24, 2007, 04:11 AM // 04:11

Thank you Inde for your first post and keeping up with the dev comments for us. I must admit that I worry some over how things will change. I was VERY VERY happy to hear that we will get the chance to cross names from the two games. I think that is the nicest feature a game has done for repeat customers and I already made my character names for the next game so no one can steal them

The only thing I "don't like" is the really high level cap. i didn't get WoW and other stuff like it because I've played games with really high levels. I liked GW1 because it was all about tinkering with your character and not about getting ridiculously high levels to carry ridiculously powerful weapons and armor or unlock spells. Gaile may say that Anet isn't interested in "grind" but there will be a LOT of players who will equate level with skill or capabilities. Just like no one wants a level 5 in their team now to fight shiverpeeks, I can see areas in the future that will hold the bar up and people say "you must be this tall to enter!"

That is my concern. Not so much that Anet will botch something as much that players will segregate themselves from each other the same way they do in WoW, EQ, EQ2 and even here (rank ftw? not really). I hope Anet considers this when they decide on a level cap and the benefits of gaining levels.

PS No, I don't have the magazine yet, I'm just voicing my worries. Don't go all chicken little and scream the sky is falling after reading this post. I'm not and I WROTE IT FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!

Gaile Gray · Mar 24, 2007, 04:26 AM // 04:26

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

I think the target audiences demands are everything that's going to be in Guild Wars 2. People want races, people want high levels, people want persistance. Arenanet are giving these things to the people.

Bingo. I talk to players often, and I'm on the forums every day, and I know that you're right. The three things you've listed there have been, consistently, the three most requested changes to Guild Wars, and the things that folks have most hoped for with each new campaign. (Oh, wait, maybe hairdressers is in the top three, I'm not sure.

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But seriously, every campaign, "Will there be new races?" "Are you going to make Guild Wars more like an MMO?" "Are you going to raise the level cap?" You can check me on that, because it's in log after log after log.

So, players asked for these things, and they'll be in the next game. Hmmm.. I wonder if there's a correlation between the two!

Anarkii · Mar 24, 2007, 04:29 AM // 04:29

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

So, players asked for these things, and they'll be in the next game. Hmmm.. I wonder if there's a correlations between the two!

That's one of the reasons I have enormous respect for ANet. They listen to what the people what. Cheers!

Bryant Again · Mar 24, 2007, 04:40 AM // 04:40

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Originally Posted by Anarkii

That's one of the reasons I have enormous respect for ANet. They listen to what the people what. Cheers!

Arenanet and Gaile *for the win*. She even said "bingo" when she quoted me!

To be honest, when I bought Guild Wars, I was actually expecting these things. I was hoping for a high level cap and non-instancing gameplay. Does that mean I was disappointed? Nope, quite the opposite. Instancing rules.

Now about the high-level cap: It'll just be something that rewards me for my long play time. I don't *need* to be the highest level to enjoy the game, and if you have that mindset than Guild Wars probably isn't the right game for you.

I'm sorry to bring this news, guys, but Guild Wars is only going to get better from here on.

The only other thing I want to know right now is system specs, but given the fact that it won't be released for two years I guess it'd be hard to judge. I'm willing to wait that out, though.

Ahrims Assassin · Mar 24, 2007, 04:55 AM // 04:55

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Originally Posted by Anarkii

That's one of the reasons I have enormous respect for ANet. They listen to what the people what. Cheers!

QFT. First game company I've seen listen, at least to this level.

wolfvane · Mar 24, 2007, 05:03 AM // 05:03

If GW2 turns into D1, D2, WoW, and all the other ones that just repeat the same shit over and over, I want be buying it, I went to GW because it was different then the rest, not the same shit over and over again, had new chapters added, to keep things new, I'm not interrested in playing GW2 if its going to be anything like the others.

SigurdTheBalmung · Mar 24, 2007, 05:05 AM // 05:05

I love how people complain based on a summary of an article that they haven't even gotten to read... especially about the "level cap" or the supposed lack there of one and the comparison to WoW. WoW is not the only other MMO on the market it isn't even a typical MMO in the grand scheme of them, though it is the one many are now trying to copy as they see its success and wish it upon themselves. What they don't get is for many of the early adopters and early majority of WoW it was the IP not the game that drew in crowds.

Level grind is something that is relative to each game. Level 70 in WoW can easily be attained by a skilled player in about ~16 to 18 days of play(~384 to 432 hours..yes I have a 70 in WoW), yet some of the people I see complaining probably have that much or more play time on one character in Guild Wars. Even the grind between the three chapters of Guild Wars is different. I can easily have a level 20 within 10 hours of starting up a toon in Factions, yet in Prophecies and Nightfall it might take me a day or more to achieve that goal.

Guild Wars itself is an amazingly large grind if you are trying to open all the skills. To get gets skills one must grind XP to get skill points and the money to buy them, or you have to quest, or PvP to grind "faction" to acquire them that way. This is of course the way it is unless you wish to drop Anet $100+ to just open the skills for you.

Honestly, I'll wait to pass judgment on the early information until the magazine hits news stands, and then I'll wait to pass judgment on the game until it is far into its beta. By summer of '08 when the beta will supposedly start things may change drastically. And, with its release scheduled for '09-10 we have a long way to go until we see GW2 as a finished product.

Roguish Seraph · Mar 24, 2007, 05:11 AM // 05:11

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Originally Posted by wolfvane

If GW2 turns into D1, D2, WoW, and all the other ones that just repeat the same shit over and over, I want be buying it, I went to GW because it was different then the rest, not the same shit over and over again, had new chapters added, to keep things new, I'm not interrested in playing GW2 if its going to be anything like the others.

We have heard this over and over and over again. Atleast come up with a new complaint of why GW is failing because GW2 is coming out. Or atleast read the article or better yet read some of this thread. Thank you.

btw

I do actually like the fact that we are "starting over". I understand why we are starting over, I just extremely like it even more than that everyone goes back to lvl one and /refresh. Its always alittle more peaceful when everyone is around the same level.

grottoftl · Mar 24, 2007, 05:17 AM // 05:17

judging from the tones of a few player's posts if you hate the company so much why do you even play their game? why do you even bother? you show no appreciation at all. hey i get irritated at arenanet sometimes and stop playing the game for awhile but i will give them constructive critisim and not bitch like a spoil rich brat like some of you do. you say you enjoy one of their chapters and yet you belligerently bitch at them when you dont like something they do instead of disagreeing with their actions in a well mannered tone. it doesnt really show your appreciation.

flux its obvious that you werent here for a long time, players have been suggesting the things that arenanet is going to implement in guild wars 2 for a long time. almost 2 years ago before you joined. you can be a little concerned about guild wars 2 but dont bitch like a madman with assumptions claiming to be fact. if you read the article on guild wars 2 in pcgamer you'll understand why they had to start over and it will ease you a little. if you still dont like what you read then you can give some critism but dont give wild assumptions and act rude. if you are going to keep acting like that, arenanet or any company wont need consumers like you to be sucessful no matter how big your delusions will grow.

its pointless to get excited or upset about guild wars 2 right now. hold off your judgements until you try it out in BETA then give your views!
that is if you are still here.